Remind me again..

Who was freshman of the year last year? Clowney?

You sound real silly...

Right now bro. If you think Clowney is the best player in 100 years? All I'm gonna do is lol at you, I'm not even going to argue, that makes all the points I need to make on how ridiculous you are over Clowney. You win bro, it's your world now, lol.

Getting back to reality, I am seeing promethius tomorrow but I saw Battleship today, will be real tough for any movie to beat it all year. Not kidding bro, it was great. Do not miss that on the big screen. Especially since you are a Friday night lights fan, but that is a small part. Did I say the movie was great?

"But Clowney is that rare defensive end who comes along once every 20 years or so and Nkemdiche is not. "

Just to make sure we're clear lol.

Do you really want to put yourself through this for a kid that might play somewhere else (anything is possible)?

Compare this kid to Jadeveon Clowney? Of all people Jadeveon Clowney? Best prospect in 100 years or more?

You fell off your rocker bro Ha!

Go back and read again

"I didn't think you would get your feelings hurt because they said Clowney was better in almost every aspect of the game lol"

What I got out of the article was this

"But Clowney is that rare defensive end who comes along once every 20 years or so and Nkemdiche is not. "

and this

"Clowney is a rarity and comparing anyone to him is like comparing wide receivers to Jerry Rice or offensive tackles to Anthony Munoz. It's not fair."

What were you saying again?

Go back and read again...

If you think he said he was better in every aspect.

I told you about...

Warrior a long time ago bro. You need to start writing it down, yes I was glued to it by the end. Going to watch promethius (spelling) tomorrow. Will watch Alien with Hiro tonight.

Not mad bro, but that article did not sound good for Clowney. Ferrels timing should tell you something. In it he says Clowney is undersized and does not handle double teams well. In highschool he was still probably bigger than everyone he lined up against not so in college ball. This really comes into play vs the run. But he will get double teamed allot as well. He really made him sound like a highschool superstar who will be good not great in college. If he gains weight how agile, which is his biggest asset be? Lots of questions still. Don't shoot the messenger bro, Ferrell wrote it.

But if (according to Ferrell, not me) you don't the ability to handle double teams and size is an advantage on the college level, we will have to disagree again. Unless you think he has physcic powers and can predict plays on the college level.

Ok if you haven't seen Warrior yet

Put it at the top of your list. Best movie I've seen in a long time. One good movie that relates is the fighter. That movie doesn't come close to this one..

By the way

I'm watching the movie warrior now about mma fighting. Pretty damn good so far. Also rented chronical. Both look like ones you would like.

Now, back to your clowney flames lol.

Dang bro you mad?

Don't shoot the messenger. Clowney by being a consensus first team all American has proven himself in college ball as much as any freshman possibly could. Especially against our rival school lol. Robert N? Not so much. We'll talk after he takes his first college snap at Clemson.

I thought it was a good article to explain the differences about the two. I didn't think you would get your feelings hurt because they said Clowney was better in almost every aspect of the game lol.

Again, Robert is in HS no way you can compare them as college players until he actually plays college ball. Right now Robert is a baby compared to clowney lol j/k bro.

Clowney was a great...

Highschool player and is no doubt built to play highschool football. He has some of the best highschool film ever seen. Roscoe Crosby comes to mind. But we don't really care about highschool ball once they hit college. We won't need mike ferrels wonderful assessments of Clemson commits because in the end it will play out on the field. So far Clowney had a good year. But lightening bolts did not come out of his ass and players didn't turn to stone when he looked at them. In fact he has yet to step on the field as the best player on the field. He has the best highschool film, just not the best college film yet. We will see in the end, I will say it's generally the bigger smarter kids but I know you think it's the smaller dumber kids. J/k bro..

Good read here

It compares how different Clowney and Robert N. are as far types of player. Very informative article.

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1375666

You're right bro

But I really think the commitment will stick if Clemson has another successful season. I think that's what helped us sign Clowney, winning the eastern division that year. If we would have went 7-5 or even 8-4 we could have kissed Clowney goodbye.

You never know about Bama though. I don't think money will be an issue because I think his family is pretty well off. I think his mom is into politics? The bigger threat is if they win the national championship and/or Clemson has a flop season. I don't think Clemson will though so I think the commit will stick.

Also...

I just don't think you should get real excited until signing day about this. Alabama is going to reach deep in their pockets and make him an offer he can't refuse I am sure, lol.

You guessed it, I am very busy at work...

I will post more later. But the bottom line is this is why I don't have a problem with the way Dabo addresses the media. He knew what he was doing and why. I would suppose the commitment was related? I had no idea it was coming. No better recruiter out the IMO, but I am sure and argument could be made.

You must have a busy day at work

I'm ready to hear you hooping and hollering over the good news. Can't say that I'm happy for Clemson bro because I hate them lol. But I am happy for you and getting the top recruit in the nation is a big deal. This should fell all of your reasons about not being excited about football.

I think you'll find this funny

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2208&tid=174846737&mid=174846737&sid=880&style=2

Clemson gets #1 recruit in the country

Robert Ndeckehgeghie lol. Great get. Don't know how Dabo is doing it but props to him..

I think if Clemson has a season like they did last season the commit will stick. It will be hard to hold on to him if not though. Especially if Bama or LSU wins the NC. I find it funny they pulled him out of Ga lol. After the AJ Green situation it's hilarious. Glad Ga didn't get him. Also glad he isn't an instate kid so I won't have to be pissed that Carolina didn't get him lol.

Of course I'm not a Clemson supporter lol

No more than you are a South Carolina supporter. Not sure why that is relevant though with the stuff Plyler is saying? I don't have anything to do with what him or Dabo says. I do like to hear your opinions on it though. Especially concerning a hot topic like conference expansion. Something you have been enthralled with since the first rumor came out. But no, I'm definitely not a Clemson supporter lol.

Got it bro...

but of course Plyler is one of the biggest Clemson supporters around. Even when I disagree with him I have no doubt he has the best interest of Clemson in mind. He is a much bigger supporter than I will ever hope to contribute. You, not so much lol. You would in fact be the exact opposite of him. Its not meant to start an argument, but it is a reality.

He has a pretty good rant up on  his website now that was not posted before. None of it is really aimed at Dabo, more at his frustration with the ACC. David Wilkins has also put to rest any doubt of where this came from and it was not Dabo.

None of this means we are, or are not going to another conference. It simply means at the current time it is not good for Clemson to let this continue to snowball. We will all find out soon enough. I maintain we are staying the ACC or maybe something else totally that no one sees coming? No idea what it would be but anything is possible in college football.

Again, great points bro

And again, your comments are not directed at me but at plyler. Just to make that clear. None of what I've posted are my thoughts. They are all his.

Its definitely a great show...

I think Dabo has done what he needed to do. Clemson needed to win the ACC, like it or not Clemson needed to beat Auburn, Clemson needed to beat Va Tech, Clemson needed to win 10 games all more than they needed to beat Scar as a program. It just seemed as though there was not much effort or preparation for Scar or West Virginia which I don't understand. But he did what he needed to do and has not been done in 20 years.

But I agree with Plyler, starting this year is the time to reprioritize the Scar game. Thats really what is missing right now IMO. Also, first off, like it or not UGA has always been ahead of both of us as a program. Not sure why he would bring them up. Money has nothing to do with it, they have better atheletes in Georgia and more of them with no other major competition instate. Money will not change that ever.

I think the money is good enough right now for both instate teams to compete evenly. Both are making good improvements and it will finally reach a point where you can only do so much with facilities. Clemson has already made a statement that they are not afraid to pay coaches. You do not buy conference championships.

BTW

I'm half way through the 2nd season of breaking bad. Great show.

Sounds good bro

And I wasn't trying to argue, you know that. You are absolutely right about plyler and the south Carolina situation. He is scared to death about Carolina passing Clemson. That is where most of this big 12 stuff stems from for him. He worries too much about Carolina IMO. I mean Clemson played in a bcs game last season albeit not very well but you got there. Why all the worry about Carolina passing you plyler? Sec teams that are not vandy or Kentucky are supposed to make more money than the acc teams or any team for that matter. At least you guys were in a bcs game.

It would be like me crying about Clemson beating us twice last season in baseball even though we won the natty. Silly to worry that much about what your rival is doing especially considering the fact that you just had your best season in at least 20 years..

Like I said before...

you cannot just take bits and pieces of an interview and leave most of it out and out of context. What would he say? Just like he said in the article when you read the whole thing. "My job is not to decide where Clemson plays, its to have them ready to play, I am happy to be the coach at Clemson and we will have them ready to play no matter where we go." We already have a couple of coaches that are very familiar with the Big 12 here on the staff and we are very prepared for the styles of offenses we will face etc... On a side note in case Blake Johnson or Mickey Plyler is wondering, there is a time and place for everything, I take guidance from my bosses on how to address the media on certain issues. While there is no doubt Plyler will be a Clemson fan allot longer than I will be the coach here at Clemson, I do not want to shorten my time by listening to radio hosts or Gamecock fans instead of my boss who in this case just happen to be every ones boss here at Clemson the BOT". Having said that we are indeed glad to be coaching, playing etc... at Clemson always number 1, but certainly now in the Big 12."

Does that clear it up bro? Plyler for the most part supports Dabo, but the coach will always be a distant second with Clemson being first. His hatred for Swofford is undeniable. In terms of how Dabo addresses the media, he just got a 6 year contract extension....

There is one thing Dabo needs to do and Plyler would agree, its what he is disgruntled about with Dabo. That is simply to make Scar a priority on the schedule. He starts beating Scar and 90% of the criticism he gets will disappear. If he does not, no matter how he addresses the media, he will disappear.

I don't want you to take me wrong

With my comment about him taking a tight lipped approach. What I mean was maybe he should have just said that the rumors were false and let that be it. Instead he went on to say that Clemson going to the big 12 would be the worst thing possible to happen to their program. How will that make him look if they actually do go? What will his press conference be like? He can't start off by saying "We're very excited to be joining the big 12" lol. There is a difference between denying the rumors and being all out against them completely. That's all I was saying..

One good point I will admit that Plyler brought up, is him stating that he will be a fan of Clemson far longer than Dabo will be coaching there. I guess that goes for a lot of the Clemson fans and kind of puts it into perspective.

I wish you could have heard him on the radio this morning

I'm sure he tones it down in his website. You would be surprised..

Read tiger net...

To get all of what he said, instead of part of it. That's pretty silly, this one of the biggest recruiting weekends. Of course he is going to say that. Nothing extreme at all about what he said. Clemson is committed to the Acc and that is extreme? About as unextreme as you can get. Everyone, TDP, the bot has said the same thing. Clemson is committed to the ACC. That's called towing the company line, nothing extreme eccentric or anything else about it.

You nor Plyler has a clue what he is telling recruits and parents behind closed doors. But just like Dabo, Plyler is taken out of context, allot. He simply said on his website that coaches should be a small part of the decision and that's pretty accurate.

Just like Dabo said, do not worry because in the end Clemson is not going to get left behind regardless of what happens and if his bosses tell him he is going to Japan, his job is to get them ready to play in Japan, not to make those decisions, that's part of the rest of what he said.

Fair enough

Plyler was infuriated on this morning's show. To the point at times to where he was screaming. He's mad that Dabo made those comments because if those comments are true, then Clemson isn't going to the big 12. And you know how much he wants to go to the big 12. If you stay in the ACC, Georgia and South Carolina will make 30 million dollars more a year than you and that gap will only widen. Clemson can't survive that. On the other hand he says if the comments are not true then you are lying to recruits and their parents. Dabo will have a egg on his face in recruiting if they do go to the big 12 now. Just passing it along. Not my thoughts, but Plyler's..

I think what Dabo said was fine if he would have said it in a different way. But we know he can be eccentric. That's just his style. May be he should have took a tighter lipped approach on this one?

Don't take this as me...

saying Clemson is going to the Big 12. The rumblings of it being talked about are legit, but I doubt it will happen. So if you think its probably not going to happen, I agree.

But no matter if its happening or not, Clemson, the BOT and Dabo have handled this exactly the way it should be handled. FSU, not so much, lol. No bridges have been burned and this has not had a negative impact on recruiting. I have no idea if it is coincidence, probably so. But Dabo's actions in terms of hiring would sure lead you to believe he is big on the Big 12. 

I just think a change would be good to make things more interesting. I will admit, I would like to see North Carolina left holding the bag as well. Does not mean I think it is happening. I do believe eventually, there will be lots of changes with the landscape of college football, it could  be 5 years from now.

Dabo is completely against going to the big 12

He is even frustrated with the thought of it. He says so here, last two paragraphs:

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20120612/PC20/120619725/1032/swinney-watkins-likely-to-miss-games-bellamy-could-return-big-12-is-a-bad-idea-for-clemson

Wow, that really came out of left field. I thought it was all but a done deal. Guess you never know with this expansion stuff..

I sure hope not...

The name of the class is also very entertaining, lol.

Will it ever stop for UNC?

http://now.msn.com/now-plus/0609-athletes-take-nonclass

Yes...

I told you about it because he was in it. It's been out a long time. It has Denzel Washington and Ryan Reynolds. I think you said you liked Ryan Reynolds. But of course it was a typical good performance by DW, I agree he can act.

You may have told me about

The woman in black but I've known about it for a long time because of Daniel Radcliffe. Safe house has Denzel Washington in it right. Every movie he's in is good. He's a good actor.

I am the one...

That told you about woman in black. It was ok, kinda creepy. You might like it because of potter. I can't remember if I saw no country for old men, I think I did when you told me. The rest of those I have not seen. I saw a pretty good movie called safe house yesterday, you would like it I think.

I saw a preview of a movie

It really looks like one you would like. It's called Monster Brawl. It is about zombie like monsters that battle it out in a wrestling ring lol. It's even got "Mouth of the south" Jimmy Hart and Kevin Nash in it. Definitely looks like one you would like. I may even check it out.

I've heard the movie "The Sitter" is really funny. Brent also claims that "My Week With Marilyn" is really good. I've yet to watch either though. Have you seen "The Woman In Black" yet? I want to see it. It looks pretty scary and it has Harry Potter in it. Oh and "Snow White and the Huntsman" looks like it's going to be pretty good.

Another one that you may have already watched but last time we talked about it you said you hadn't is "No Country for Old Men". If you haven't already watched it, it should be at the top of your list.

Extremely cheesy...

It's a shame to see such a great story done like that. If you watch anything good let me know. Pickings are slim lately it seems.

Lots of conference talk still, I was kinda surprised Larry Williams said 70% it happens in his opinion. I am thinking no really, but many of the guys with connections say it's a done deal. Of coarse that means nothing other than it's worth discussing.

I saw that

about the new Hatfields and McCoys movie. I want to watch it and see how much it follows the show. It will be interesting to see which story they portray.

I watched the first 3 episodes of breaking bad yesterday. Even though I've seen them before I've really gotten into it again. Great show.

I agree...

without giving anything away, the ending promises next season will be different. I admit I thought it would be faster. I guess I should say special effects instead of Scifi. I like Scifi if it is well done, but not if the story or special effects are not very good. The next season of Spartacus will be the last season. I really hate to see the show end.

There is a new movie out about the Hatfields and Mccoys with Christian Slater. It is probably cheesy but one guy in the reviews said he watched it 3 times. Might be worth a watch but I doubt it, I will check it out sometimes and let you know.

I'm not real big on the SciFi

stuff anyway. Not anywhere near as much as you or Brent persay. I like some of it but I like the realistic stuff more. I like the way Game of Thrones has went so far. I will admit that I thought this season would pick up more. People said last season was just to build up the rest of the show. Well, it seemed to me that the second season did the same thing. More building up. I'm good with that though.

I don't really get to listen...

to the radio, I wish I could listen at work but the time difference is the problem. I would definitely agree a national championship in baseball would make it more interesting. Clemson fans always want a win against Scar and I agree they wanted to beat them. Both schools have always had good baseball programs, I agree. I will say though, just like the message boards you have 10 or so of the same type retards calling in on the radio. Unless something has changed, you have a few more educated and reasonable ones calling too that have a different attitude, the retards are just louder, lol. 

Breaking Bad is one of the best shows on TV IMO. You just have to take Game of Thrones for what it is, if you are expecting and all Scfi special effects type show, you won't get it. But its still a good show with some Scifi thrown in.

No, I didn't take it the wrong way

You have some good points and I see what you mean. You may be right that a lot of clemson fans don't care about baseball. But that would only be because they haven't had the success Carolina has had. I can promise you that a National Championship win would have a lot of Clemson fans talking about how great college baseball is. And Clemson winning the National Championship could happen any year. They have always had a good baseball program. Just fell in a slump this year. A lot of the Clemson fans can say what they want, but they would be lying if they said they didn't want at least one win against Carolina this past weekend in the worst way. Baseball is all the Clemson fans have wanted to talk about on the radio here. You listen right?

I started up the game of thrones. About half way through the season now. Pretty good. I think I'm gonna start breaking bad after this. Watch it from the beginning. When I was watching it, it was before I had netflix and I had to watch some bad copies of it. It's a good show too.

Not too many really care...

about baseball. But with the Big 12/ACC contract, all the junk going around, some of them are just itching to melt down. I think many of them live to melt down. But you got to understand that its only 10 or so very vocal ones acting stupid. But they are not happy that we are not recruiting in state players enough in baseball and I can completely understand that. Not really allot of fireworks in recruiting so far this year, its a long way to go but kind of a boring year so far? I have said before and I will say again, for us to get out of the funk we were in since Danny Ford we had to hit rock  bottom and that means falling behind Scar for Clemson. I have no idea really what will happen with expansion. But without falling behind Scar I doubt very seriously it would even be getting discussed. I don't want you to misinterpret this into me saying we going to break out and get respectable again. I serious doubts that will happen. 

The last episode of Game of Thrones, wow. Did you ever start a new show?

Gamecocks Advance

Clemson gave them a couple of really good games though. It's ashame so many Clemson fans are in meltdown mode. Clemson played really good against a really good team. They made it further than anyone expected and hammered a pretty good Coastal team in the proccess. They just drew a short straw by landing in Columbia's regional and having to beat out Carolina to advance.

Just finished it...

Kinda, but they still managed to spin it into not so bad. I am just kinda surprised they did it so one sided, but the show was great. I can understand why you would like them, they even managed to spin him leaving that girl pregnant as the mccoys fault, lol.

No that's pretty much how the show goes

Wow after that post I thought you had already watched them all. It must be pretty close to the real thing.

I probably like the hatfields more because I'm a cosnar fan. It's certainly not because they are potrayed as "good people". They are pretty much ruthless and uncle Jim was the worst one.

Funny watching...

The leader of the Hatfields abandoned his unit, then came home and was involved in killing a wounded soldier. The Hatfields were well connected. If you look at the killings it was McCoy, hatfield, McCoy, McCoy McCoy McCoy. I guess the end was when the hatfields surrounded his cabin and slaughtered most of his family. But they are such great people on the show, lol. I think the reality is both families were inbred retards. Looking forward to the second one tho.

Like I said

I can understand why Clemson fans wouldn't like him lol.

I told you it was good.

I just watched...

The first one, it is good.

Just having to look at Tanner makes you not like him. You can tell, he is just not a likable person by the way he looks.

I beg to differ

I would agree about Frank Martin. He doesnt really look too likable lol. With Spurrier, like you said I think people like him because he's an ass. But to say Ray Tanner isn't likable is crazy. And yes I've heard many many Clemson fans say that they don't like Legget. I don't really have a reason not to like him because Carolina has great success against Clemson in baseball. Which makes sense why you wouldn't like Tanner lol.

I'm pretty jacked about the tourney though. I just hope Carolina doesn't slip and get beat out by Clemson. That is a streak we need to keep going. And I'm not flaming at all by saying that.

I'm gonna watch the last episode of Hatfields and McCoys tonight. I don't want it to end..

Gamecock fans are...

not really supposed to like him. But thats not really a complaint I have heard from any Clemson baseball fan, that he is not a likable guy. I don't really think any of the Gamecock coaches are very likable, except Spurrier. Its just really because he is a certifiable asshole, like me. If we had a retarded coach at Clemson for example, you would probably like them bro. J/K

I am definitely going to watch that, I have been seeing people talk about it on the boards.

I agree about Legget

Recruiting players out of state instead of players in state is one of the only knocks on him. That and he's just not that likable of a guy I think. Other than that he's a great coach.

During the season I would have agreed with you about Clemson not making it past coastal but right now Clemson is playing good ball. They have been hitting good as of late. Thing about the baseball tourney is its double elimination. It's very likely that Clem and Carolina will play each other. Bad part is only one out of the 3 in state schools in the Columbia regional will advance.

New mini-series for you and you'll love it. Hatfields & McCoys on the history channel. 3 episode series that is a must watch. Hatfield fan myself. Tell me which one you are after you watch. Not kidding bro, this is a must see.

I agree...

they are probably not that bad. But I think most baseball fans don't expect them to make it past Coastal.

You see allot of retarded negativity in terms of coaches. But I think with Legget I have seen some pretty legit concerns. The state of South Carolina has allot of good baseball players, unlike football. Legget started recruiting players from up north. Dream come true for Scar, 2 national titles in fact. I just think what critics are saying is very logical, but I am not at all an expert on baseball.

Yes they all made the tourney

Clemson has really picked up the pace here at the end of the season. They did have a pretty tough go the rest of the season however. The clemson fans are giving them hell because this is the worst season they've had in a while even though its not that bad. I think the fans should be happy because Clemson was seeded higher than Coastal and Coastal had a much better record. Coastal also beat Clemson in the regular season. Being seeded higher than them is definitely a plus.

When I say Columbia regional I mean that 4 team part of the NCAA tournament is being played in Columbia. They pick the better teams to host the regionals and the even better teams to host the super regionals. After that it's off to Omaha for the college world series. It just so happened that 3 SC schools were placed in the same regional this year.

I am surprised Clemson...

is there, all I hear is bad things from fans on the message board that follow baseball. Honestly, when you talk about the Columbia regional etc... you may as well be speaking Chinese. So I guess that is obviously good? What does it mean? They all made the tournament?

Setting up to be another good baseball tourney

1. South Carolina, 2. Clemson, 3. Coastal, 4. Manhattan is the seeding placement for the Columbia regional. Pretty jacked about the 3 SC teams being in the same regional. It starts Friday. I know we have to beat Manhattan and Clemson has to beat Coastal first but the Clemson game should be great. Clemson will be ready to play after the past 2 seasons despite having a average record this year. If SC doesn't beat them it will say a lot about our team this year.

I would suggest watching...

a few of the old episodes or at least the first one which was a TV movie. That way you can see the difference between the characters, might be interesting.

I knew there was one I was forgetting

Battlestar Galactica is what I was trying to think of. I may give it a shot.

The show is allot funnier...

than the movies, that is a sure thing for you to watch.

Also Battlestar Galactica? I only say it because of Brent, but you might be surprised.

May be trailer park boys next

The movies were hilarious. I need a comedy. One of the reasons I'm not jumping on the wire.

For a new show Touch...

you mentioned one already Jericho, trailer park boys, I still wish I had more episodes of the trailer park boys to watch. I like The Borgias, you might want to give it a shot but I am not sure you will like it. Shameless was pretty good too.

To change the subject for a minute

I finished Prison Break. I know you said I should watch The Wire. What else would you recommend? I know you named a bunch in the past. Refresh my memory.

But for real

Willy wonka was only because you compared me to to gamecock will. Please don't bring him down to our level, he is a respectful guy lol. No more billybob or gamecock will references, no more silly gifs. You have my word. Up to you because we could make this a gif war instead of legit conversation and it would be great if that's what you want.

Your billy bob and gamecock will references = willy wonka gifs. And

Willy wonka obviously makes you red faced lol.

Damn

You're right, promise I'll never use a gif again, maybe lol.

Who's ready for some Clemson vs Oklahoma games?! I am!

Troll didn't work...

So now you have retreated to gifs? Lol

Seriously, I am a little bored with the ACC, I agree it would make things a little more interesting.

Seriously?

It sure doesn't bro...

IF GaTech showed serious interest it could get interesting and you took that means GaTech is the pick over Clemson? Wow, you are on par with Gamecock Will now. Actually, if you truly believe GaTech is a team to pick over Clemson, you are not even quite up to Gamecock Will's level. You seriously believe that?

No bro, no way you are that dumb, I refuse to believe that you are. That's why I knows you be trolling. But it don't work on me, lol.

Hmmm

So you see nothing in that paragraph that kinda catches your eye lol? Also, it says nothing about GT not going to the big 12 only because Clemson don't want to. It clearly looks like in this article that your boy thinks GT may be more attractive than Clemson. That ain't me trolling bro. That's your boy at orangebloods that's trolling you.

By the way, the trolling on the mainboard is all in fun. Everyone does it now. I don't usually mess with clemson though, once or twice. I do like to go after Tenn though. I just find it humorous. Take nothing I say on there to heart lol.

TI is throwing links to all the sites...

especially Rivals that are talking about Clemson and the move. Nothing in the article led me to believe he is saying Ga Tech is going to the Big 12 before Clemson or getting picked before Clemson. He just said it was possible, it would be based on Clemson chosing not to leave the ACC though.

Just telling you bro, Orangebloods and Chip Brown is not the place to get info on Clemson or Ga Tech for that matter. You have to remember, I see you troll all the time on the Rivals mainboard. So already knew it was coming and here it is. If its not a troll fine, but you got my response. That you like to troll is fine, but when you blame me for it? lol

I will admit, I was trolling about the Michigan thing. I just was not trolling for you.

Another thing

You say "whether you like it or not you should read the plyler articles on his site". What makes you think I don't like the thought of Clemson to the big 12? I have never said anything derogatory about Clemson to the big 12. Are you just trying to stab and piss on everything that we could possibly agree on lol? As a college football fan I'm starting to like the thought of some of the matchups with Clemson and the big 12. And it is definitely making the acc look more and more boring if that's even possible.

The article on TI with the GT comment was just interesting. It doesn't mean just because I brought it up that I wouldn't want Clemson in the big 12. Carolina has advantages to Clemson going to the big 12 too. If we beat you a big12 win brings far more relevance than a acc win and that's a fact.

I do have to admit that a fight to the death between clemson and GT to gain a spot in the big 12 would be very entertaining. Clemson would likely win IMO.

I was kind of surprised

tigerillustrated even put that article on their site. Whether there is something to it or not why even put that up on a Clemson site? That won't sell subscriptions. Clemson fans want to read what plyler is pumping, not that gt might jump them in the big 12 deal. The truth doesn't sell subscriptions. Sunshine pumping does. That's why I don't understand why they would put a purely rumor based article on their site when it is in a negative light towards Clemson.

Gotta give props on the dabo midfield speech I like it lol. Not much bad I can say about that. It would be great as long as Clemson doesn't beat carolina when he does it. It wouldn't be much fun to me for him to talk trash about Carolina if he actually beat us lol. When he doesn't beat us it's pretty funny what he says. I do like the Texas and OU jab though and would love to see it.

I think whether you...

like it or not, you can look at the articles from Plyler to get an idea of what may or may not be happening.

Not worried about that bro...

those trolls may work on a few retards on Rivals but it won't work on me. If the ACC folds Clemson will land somewhere. Chip Brown is pretty extreme in his reporting, is saying this thing is happening. No one would really believe GaTech is going to beat Clemson out, lol.

I would actually like to see a scenerio where the Big 12 add 4 teams and they were FSU, Clemson, Miami and Ga Tech. I like Ga Tech, I always have.

I also hope if we go to the Big 12, Dabo calls all the fans to the middle of the field and does a post game type interview, saying something derrogatory about Spurrier and the Gamecocks and then "I CAN'T THINK OF ANYWHERE BETTER THAN DEATH VALLEY TO CELEBRATE WHIPPING TEXAS AND OKLAHOMAS ASS EVERY YEAR!!!!"

Uh oh bro

This could get interesting, especially the last full paragraph..

http://clemson.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1368718

We agree to disagree again

I can't provide a link for everything just like you can't prove the blocking thing isn't true. Give me one shred of evidence that it isn't true.

I believe it is true and you don't. Neither of us can prove our points with evidence and we surely aren't going to change each others mind..

Florida did not block FSU...

Provide one shred of evidence Florida blocked FSU? Where are you getting this from? As you know, if you cannot provide a source I am going to have to assume you got that from fans on the message boards. But I do agree, FSU is not likely going to the sec. I just don't believe in the whole blocking conspiracy theory. I also don't think Florida would do something that fagedy, they don't really need to fear anyone.

FSU had a fairly public falling out with the SEC when you joined, they are probably not going that route. Slive is also not interested in being the guy/conference who smashed the ACC. He will not fire the first shot and that will be FSU followed by Clemson or vice versa if at all leaving the ACC.

No, Notre Dame has no rivals in the SEC that

would block them from joining. The SEC would take Notre Dame with open arms. That isn't going to happen so it's not even worth bringing up. UNC on the other hand is a joke. The hits just keep coming for them. Every time you turn around they are getting into trouble. They also suck at football. Kicker with them is that they are the best of the best in b-ball. That means money, so I wouldn't think the sec would turn them down. But that's another team not worth bringing up. The commish of the acc is a unc puppet. He added Pitt and cuse solely to boost basketball for heaven sakes. UNC would be fools to leave a conference that they call the shots in.

FSU would be the obvious choice. Yes even over the other teams I have mentioned. I don't bring them up because they are not coming to the sec. UF has blocked them. It became obvious when the sec took mizzou over them. The sec also would not let them flirt with the big 12 this long before snatching them up.

I have no doubt...

you would also block Notre Dame and UNC if you were making the decisions and they were on the table. So attitudes such as Va Tech and NC State are better than FSU is the exact reason you will never be the Commissioner of the SEC. In fact, if you tried to become the Commissioner of the SEC, Alabama would block it. I don't really care who the SEC adds. Why would I care about that?

If we end up leaving the ACC and that is a big IF right now, I hope they do add NC State and or Va Tech instead of FSU. I will take FSU as a program with us, so everyone will be happy.

By the way I wouldn't bring up

Academics when trying to give reason for SEC to take a school. As you've stated many times the sec doesn't care about academics. They care about sports, football in particular. I also see no reason that Maryland has a better tv market than VT and NC ST. What exactly are you basing that off of?

Maryland is a joke bro. Not saying its impossible that they join the SEC but I will say that Rice probably has a better shot at joining lol. VT does not suck at football and has not for many years like Maryland has. They have easily been better than fsu after they started playing in the same conference that fsu gained their glory status from. And as far as NC ST they have sucked recently but not more than Maryland. Can't really argue which teams are better if we're talking football and tv markets and that's what the sec is all about, simple as that.

If you're talking about the sec bringing in teams that they can beat, well vt and nc st are no brainers. Vt brings football relevance and so does nc st to some point. Maryland brings.. well.. absolutely nothing. And yea fsu does scare teams in the sec particularly Florida because I do think that joining the sec boosts your schools recruiting. That's something you have flat out disagreed with vt and nc st. Doesn't make sense to me?

I don't think that will happen either

UF will block FSU from joining the SEC. They don't want to share the SEC with their rival. Certain other teams will/have done the same with their ACC rival. Teams much more valuable than Virginia in the VT case you mentioned earlier. FSU wouldn't take over anything in the SEC by the way. They cant even take over the ACC even though they finish with SEC type recruiting classes every year. FSU being as good as bama or lsu is laughable, sounds like something only a fsu fan would say. You sure you're not a closet fsu fan bro lol. Doesn't matter anyway, the scenario won't happen. If it was gonna happen FSU would have been taken before mizzou for sure.

None of it really matters, it's all speculation at this point. I guess anything can happen but some scenarios are much more likely than others. FSU and Clemson to the big 12 for example seems very likely at this point. None of the SEC stuff seems likely, it's more of what I want to happen. There have been rumors, nothing more.

There is no guarantee...

but if you are talking about markets, academics etc... Maryland is higher than either of the other 2 teams. Thats why you, me or any other Gamecock fans are not going to be a part of any of the business decisions for the SEC or Big 12. Our personal feelings about teams just won't be considered. I know you don't like FSU, North Carolina or Notre Dame. But would you believe all of those teams add 10 times more than either of the 2 teams you mentioned? I would say Maryland and NC State are pretty close, but when you figure how many people and that they will carry the whole state and academics, from a business stand point Maryland is a no brainer.

If you are just going to go from a football and number of fans stand point and throw everything else out the window, academics etc... FSU is a no brainer and Miami is not too far behind them. But I don't think Slive is going to go that route. One thing for sure, all the silliness you see about we would block FSU or we would block this, that and the other is not even remotely accurate. There are definitely enough fans, recruits etc... to carry 2 teams from the state of Florida. The fact that some of these fans are wanting to add teams they know they can beat is not going to be considered. Slive knows that if he were to go the football only route, its FSU from the ACC. Then you and quite a few other teams are in trouble because FSU would be right up there just below Bama with LSU sooner rather than later. But I don't think that is whats going to happen.

Pretty damn good advertisement video

I have heard Maryland to the big 10

But not the SEC. Could happen who knows but very doubtful. Ncst and vt would make much more sense.

Again we agree to disagree on vt and ncst but none of this stuff is certain anyway. It's all about markets and money, not about if the team will be great after they join the conference. There is no certainty that fsu or Clemson would be better if they joined the big 12. Odds are their record would get worse due to stronger competition. I mean look at what happens to fsu when they play big 12 schools.

I am not saying...

it won't or can't happen. Thats just my opinion on why it might not and also what will happen if it does IMO.

I don't think many people predicted Missou heading to the SEC when this started and its just as likely as not something happens that no one expects, if they do even expand at all.

When Va Tech joined...

the ACC, Virginia tried to block it. The state government got involved and said cut it out or else (state funding) etc... The SEC has supposedly and I have my doubts, courted the Va Tech and they said no thanks. Va Tech has not done well at all vs the SEC, joining it will not help. They are not going to get the recruits to be competitive in the SEC. They are doing very well now, but they have gone down hill IMO. Beamer is getting old and it will be a tall task to replace him. I don't think the state of Virginia or the admin of Va Tech are going to accept that. Just my opinion.

As for NC State, sure, I don't see why not. But I have not really heard that they are under or have been under heavy consideration, I cannot say it does not make sense somewhat. They may get one or two more recruits, but they will certainly become a below .500 team, which will not help recruiting at all. Much like Ole Miss and Miss St. Kentucky etc... You do not become great or get great recruits when you join the SEC and if you are fielding a mediocre team, you just added SEC competition with a mediocre football program. I don't even think NC State has won the ACC and they would hope to be successfull in the SEC? I have on the other hand heard allot of talk about Maryland joining the SEC and even Big 10. Whether we agree or not they appear to be more valuable than the other 2 teams when you are looking at the big picture.

NC State will be awfull in the SEC, Va Tech for a little while longer will at least have a winning record. But they will go from being in the hunt to win the conference and sneaking into the National Championship to never sniffing a conference championship again. I think the guys that make the decisions know that.

There is also some SEC rumblings going on

even though they haven't quite developed legs like the big 12 deal seems to have.

The VT to SEC rumors are starting to resurface. Also surprisingly NCST has came up. As you know and I have stated many times these were my two picks from the start to join the SEC. NCST gives you the north carolina footprint and TV market that I think you really need. They are also the only realistic school to pull from NC. Others won't leave due to b-ball. VT is a good football program with the potential to be great if they can use the SEC angle in recruiting. They also expand your TV market further north. I was talking to Chris Pless the other day and he had heard the rumblings too. He actually brought it up. He thinks NCST would lock down the state of NC in recruiting with a move to the SEC. I brought up the fact that it could potentially help our programs with recruiting in NC because NCST can't get them all and no one would want to go to a UNC for football if they are in the ACC after the expansions have settled. He agreed. Could be wishful thinking on my part because I want nothing more than for UNC to fail.

Anyway all that could be talk about nothing and it definitely doesn't seem as legit as the big 12 talks. Still interesting to say the least

By the way

I restarted the countdown clock on the right and added a site visitor counter on the left. Looks like the counter only counts new visitors so we'll see how it works.

Glad you liked the Dabo quip

I thought it was pretty funny too. Glad you admit that I won. I thought I had lost when you started with the black cat superstition stuff lol.

My boss had told me about Omar on the wire already. He said even though he is gay he is one of the best characters on the show. So I'll take it as a complement. If we're comparing each other to TV characters you definitely look a lot like T-bag on prison break lol.

I think I will watch the wire next but another show I've thought about is fringe. I've watched bits and pieces of it and it looks pretty good. I'll look into the others you talked about too.

Yea my biggest tomato is a little smaller than a baseball. It's a black seaman and it should be the first to ripen. Can't wait to see what it looks like. The purple Russian plants are putting out a lot of fruit too. I ordered some pepperoncini pepper seeds and I hope it's not too late to plant them. I think I'm gonna build a raised garden next year for the pepper plants. I'm gonna grow a ghost pepper plant (hottest pepper in the world) soley to play jokes on Brent lol.

Yea I'm still not sure about the big 12 deal. I do think it will be at least 2013 before anything goes down, probably even later.

I am definitely crying uncle...

when you start in on a coaches name, you got me. I can't really continue after that, you won, lol. You remind me allot of a guy named Omar on the wire, I am sure you will agree when you watch the show.

Thats cool about the tomatoes, we have one plant that came up on its own that has got really big without us even watering it. It will probably have tomatoes on it real soon.

A couple of new shows coming that might have potential. Revolutin, I think is the name, but its about the earth without electricity. Sounds like a pretty good concept and its being built up to be the next great TV show. Also Kevin Bacon has a new show coming on, I think he is tracking a serial killer or something like that but I bet it will be worth the watch.

Gonna be time for me to start my next class soon, I gotta go get signed up. Its actually July 5th when we are coming now, should be a good time to come home I think.

Lots of chatter about Clemson to the Big 12 and having 4 superconferences. So much chatter its hard to take much of it seriously really. I think both FSU and Clemson have progressed to the point that they are not completely denying interest. But who really knows, will be interesting to see what happens in the end. Could honestly be nothing.

Bout time you said uncle lol

J/K bro, but for real I only went on that long because you wanted to. You know I don't like to argue as much as you hence the reason I tried to avoid it. You insisted so I played along. I would rather just move on if we disagree but I know you like to argue once in a while and I'll be game. It's easier/funnier for me when I have leverage and up until now I haven't had any. I hope it helped you get more excited about the season. Please don't try to argue about who likes to argue more now lol. We can stop now and have some legit conversation or we can keep going with this silly redneck trash. I was winning anyway lol. Ball is in your court.

My boss recently told me about the wire. He said its a really good show. I think I'm gonna watch it when I'm done with prison break. By the way, quick count on the tomatoes and I have about 50 fruits that have set. Ready for you and Hiro to see them. I hear you guys are coming in June?

Off Topic...

I am kind of surprised you have never really asked about The Wire as a show to watch. For years I have heard people name it as one of their top tv shows. I tried to watch it a year ago and could not get into it. I am 3/4 of the way through the season, trying to get into it. Have you ever tried to watch it?

It happens about every 40...

years bro, this has happened before. If we are lucky, we will live long enough to see it happen one more time in our life time. Your mistake is thinking that something has changed and it will continue forever, lol.

Why do kids get in trouble? Do you really want compare track records on that? Seriously? This is a huge deal for you because you know its a rarity at Clemson. I am very proud of the graduation rates and player behaior off the field. I feel bad for Bellamy, everyone knew this was possible from day one including Dabo. Watkins was a surprise, but at the same time no big deal.

You just don't get to do this very often, I know so I guess you should keep it going as long as you can.

Lots of interesting topic to discuss in football right now bro, I can keep going all day because in my mind you are losing. I know in your mind you are winning. But I think the smart money says this is silly from both of us. I just think there are too many things interesting in football, but its up to you. Neither team is perfect, honestly I doubt either team lives up to the ESPN ranking really. Thats just reality for me, if its something else to you great. Its only entertainment for me.

I guess the Clemson fans must have done something really bad

for the football gods to let us beat them 3 years in a row, considering how evil we are and all. Looks like karma has been on our side when it comes to playing clemson. You guys must have done something equal to murder to deserve a beating like the WVU game lol..

If the Clemson fans are so perfect and don't talk trash about our players that get into trouble, why did this happen with Potkins and Bellamy? You also have a guy named Dabo as your head coach. Why does Clemson get all of this punishment if you guys are so perfect? Your theory just isn't very logical and even if it was it doesn't help your case with Clemson at all.

Actually, happens all the time...

For years, guess I should have said will continue to happen. Garcia, auburn, Lattimore just to name a few last year. Never said I wanted it to happen, just that it will continue, lol. Maybe it will be different this year? Your best coaches won't leave or get caught pissing in the street in Columbia?

Sounds like a mama superstition pipedream

that you're wishing to happen there lol..

I did not say...

one word about Garcia, saying it does not make it true. That is what I mean by Karma. What has Bellamy done to Scar? I don't even remember him carrying the ball one time against Scar. But yet its this big deal for Scar fans. We will see who has more issues with players from here on. But I won't be stuping to that level when kids don't work out. I did not think it was funny at all when Garcia got kicked off the team. I felt bad for him, I would have liked to see him play his last year after watching him all that time.

Talking a little smack about players and there performance is one thing, but rejoicing and making fun of them when they get kicked off the team is another all together. I believe that this will indeed come back to you and that is another reason that I do not do it.

And ESPN has the Gamecocks ranked 10th

So your view of the Gamecocks is obviously silly as well.

No excuse for Bellamy being a punk. I don't feel sorry for him and I've never seen you let up on a Carolina player that got into trouble or kicked out of school. You gotta come at me with something better than that lol. You're the one who wanted to argue and Bellamy is good material.

Clemson is also...

pre-season number 16 team in the country according to ESPN. Somebody just doen't agree with your assessment of the program. Lol

I have never seen a fan...

base rejoice over a kid getting kicked out of school like what Scar fans are doing. I agree Marcus Lattimore has some class, he tried nicely to tell Scar fans that what you are doing is embarrassing. I think you guys get the impression Bellamy was a spoiled kid who is getting what he deserved. Bellamy actually grew up in what can be described as a step below a crack house. Everyone was pulling for him not just because of football, but because as human beings you want to see a kid like that pull himself out of where he was. Kid will probably end up dead, you guys can have a real party then.

This is exactly why you never be successfull as a football program, its called Karma.

We will see who has the last laugh with Chad Kelly.

30 years of memories? Sure, National championship, multiple conference championships, beating some of the best coaches in football. We have more conference championships in 30 years than you have bowl wins. We have more national championships in 30 years than you have conference championships. Sishty shree sheventeen also was fun. We have plenty to look back on, you beat Clemson 3 in a row times for comparison.